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Reflections on Toronto-Part II

Slouching toward Toronto to be Bored?

by Fritz Wagner

 

I was surprised to learn in Toronto that some Voegelin scholars expressed their sense that Voegelin studies has “had its day” and that it is time to move forward to a present time in which we must deal with problems Voegelin never faced. In fact, after one such post-panel comment from a member of the audience, we heard from somewhere a quiet but clear “Hear! Hear!”

 

Are these people onto something? Is there an elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring? Perhaps in some ways, yes.

 

That favorite term for the devout and mechanical follower, a term popularized by Voegelin, “epigone,” comes to mind. For how many years can you type the word “metaxy” without numbing yourself into indifference?  And, as was made evident in Toronto, there is a rather widespread uncertainty about the continued usefulness of the term “gnosticism,” the signature concept used in Voegelin’s break-through to public awareness in his 1952 The New Science of Politics. Furthermore, Mathias Riedl pointed out in his presentation that new historical evidence has undone the image of Joachim of Fiora, upon which Voegelin relied, in mapping out his ideas of modern gnosticism.

 

Lastly, there was a general celebration of David Walsh’s new book, The Luminosity of Existence, which Brendan Purcell, in his paper read by Michael Franz, characterized as fit to take its place as an equal, alongside Voegelin’s magnum opus, Order and History.

 

So where does this lead? My own reflections have led me to a number of observations. First, there is the old guard, the people who were actual students of Voegelin. They were mostly graduate students who spent a good deal of time with him. They have, to paraphrase Voegelin’s remark about Christianity in a secular culture, Voegelin’s own enthusiasm for truth about the depth and breadth of existence imbedded “in the very creases of their skin.” But in five or ten years, they will be silent. I count myself in this group.

 

The “middle managers,” if one might describe them as such, seemed to me to be the people who suggested a restlessness, while the youngest don’t yet fully know what the issues are.

 

Let me suggest some possibilities::

1.  We move toward adulthood with thousands of ideas competing for our attention, our adherence and devotion. We are thrown about in a tossing sea. We must find land. Something steady. There is only so much time. We can’t examine everything ourselves. We must set our priorities. What must we do and who must we be? Whom shall we trust? Let us say we grew up as Christians. Now it seems hard to sustain. How do we do that?  We grew up with natural science solving every problem, or so it seems. Does it really do this? If we wish to read philosophy where do we start? What do we skip? How much time do we spend on the Greeks, the Medievals, the  Moderns? What is the relationship between thought to action, to political action? Should thought be systematic? Is our present time the culmination of meaning in history placing us in a position of authority? Can human nature be modified by training or education? Can government be improved to the point that human frailty is irrelevant?

 

These are the sorts of questions that Voegelin addressed with a passionate concern for the well-being of the student. He characterized himself as leading the life of a curé de lâme, a caregiver of souls. These questions and their answers are what draw the young to reading Voegelin. So one of the reasons, perhaps the only important reason, for continuing Voegelin studies is to help the young in their intellectual and spiritual formation.

 

2. Although a student may be helped in his formation by reading Voegelin, that fact does not necessarily lead  him or her to become a Voegelin scholar, as such. I myself became a lawyer and I would have to say Voegelin never came up once in all my years of practice!  But for those who go on to lead the life of a teacher and scholar, there will be at least two paths open to him: the first is teaching and writing about Voegelin’s life and work. Now writing about Voegelin is where we may be approaching the end of an era—from exhaustion of subject matter—if we wish to write creatively and not merely transmit knowledge to the next generation. I strongly suspect that the “murmurs” heard in Toronto originated in this feeling of “I need to move on to something new.”

 

Another path is to do one’s scholarly work without invoking Voegelin at all. I haven’t read David Walsh’s The Luminosity of Existence yet (We expect to present plenty of commentary here at VoegelinView starting soon.), but if it bears more than a passing resemblance to his earlier books, one can say that Voegelin doesn’t come into it in the sense of quotes and footnotes, and yet on many pages one realizes that without Walsh's reading of Voegelin over many years, these words couldn’t have been written. For one thing, at least in past books, Walsh eschewed Voegelinian technical vocabulary, which really is a kind of shorthand that must be memorized. The avoidance of this technical vocabulary makes Walsh's thought more accessible to the general reader. (From the little I have read from his new book, Walsh finds redemptive value in the work of some who Voegelin discarded, and exudes a general sense of intramundane hope now that the 20th century totalitarianisms are dissipated; gone is Voegelin's sense of Augustinian watching and waiting.) 

 

Voegelin himself would have been the first to remind us that concrete results from the social and historical sciences are always subject to refinement by new research and understanding and so we must not cling to particular formulations or findings. For instance, Professor Riedl shows persuasively that Joachim was not a gnostic even though Voegelin used him as an archetypical gnostic in working out his explanation for modernity. Yet that does not invalidate the conclusions Voegelin drew from comparing the common spiritual illnesses found in the instances of the Puritans, or the French revolutionaries, or the positivists or Marxists or Communists or Nazis or fascists—the same symptoms occurring in new manifestations into the present and presumably continuing indefinitely into the future. (But will David Walsh allow this? We will see.)

 

Voegelin studies, writing, and teaching will stand or fall on their own merits. We can’t popularize them or make them attractive in terms of power and influence.(That is the exclusive preserve of the Straussians!) We make no claims for tomorrow or ten years from tomorrow. For today, we can help equip those who seek understanding in both its philosophical and its spiritual dimensions.

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 Short takes:

•  Richard Avramenko was asked how it was to go from teaching at Georgetown in Washington, D.C. to the University of Wisconsin at Madison. In fact, I asked him, “How is life on Lake Monona?” He replied with a very satisfied grin, “Life is easy.” He described the paved biking trails, the boating and swimming and the beauty. He seemed as fit as a track athlete so it must be true! I was born in Wisconsin and spent six years in Madison so perhaps I took it all too much for granted. It is so nice to talk to someone who is not restless in his current appointment!

 

•  When you have arrived for a tour of purgatory, what do you do if your Virgil gets sick? Max Arnott was present on the first day, Thursday, but by that night he was in the emergency room of the hospital and was then admitted with a serious bout of influenza. The Friday night party at his home was nixed, and of course we no longer had a personal guide. We did have Max's thoughtful two part essay on what to do and see in Toronto which we had printed off from VoegelinView and brought with us. Not really the same thing. Max took several more days to recover but is fine now. He strongly recommends a flu shot. Nasty variety this year.     {#emotions_dlg.VoegelinViewsm}

Some final comments in a few days.      Part I can be read HERE.     

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William Thompson-Uberuaga  - Wm. Thompson-Uberuaga   |10-04-2009 05:36:04
A Classic or a Period Piece?

I appreciate Fritz W's thoughts on the issue of whether or not we are moving toward a kind of epigonicism in Voegelin studies. I think the issue is always one worth considering, and always a danger. I realize the use of the term "gnostic" is controversial, but it is possible for Voegelin scholars to fall into a kind of (pseudo)Voegelinistic gnosticism, now and then. It's so much easier than really having to think and study and meditate, and so on!

In my own experience, I have found myself continually returning to Voegelin's works, even when I have tried to go my own way. I do think I have gone my own way, but there is a deep down Voegelin current running through all my work. Sometimes more in spirit than in letter, but nonetheless really there. This experience of continually returning to V's work (a kind of "being drawn" experience) makes me wonder whether others have experienced the same? This site would seem to indicate as much.

This leads on, then, to the distinction between a classic and a period piece. Classics, I think, are the sort of work which draws us toward them, sometimes despite our best efforts not to be so drawn, and they do this because they compellingly express central dimensions of the human being, dimensions always needing to be confronted. Well, it is perhaps a bit too early to know whether V's corpus is a classic, but I wager that it is, at least some of it. The period piece enjoys a short crescendo of attention, and then fades, and it should, although it may be needed at a particular time.

If V's work be classic, well, I would not over-worry about its stay power. Which is not to say that we do not need a good institutional carrier and protector of and for it (Ellis, I hope you are reading this -- and thank you for this, and to the many others who do this necessary work for us here and abroad). The classics, then, certainly generate different responses, all vital: strict scholars who do close textual and biographical work; then those who imbibe the spirit and go their own way; and diverse and sometimes even conflictual schools of intepretation; popularizers (much needed); etc. And why can't all these exist in one person's work as well?
Fritz Wagner  - Timothy Fuller Response   |10-01-2009 07:31:46
Professor Timothy Fuller has written a response and has agreed to its being posted here. Here it is:

This is of interest to me on several fronts. These issues did surface in Toronto but I did not read into them that Voegelin is not important or over and done with. We should remember that EV himself depended often on the current professional scholarship in various fields and we should expect that scholarship to evolve over time. The current scholarship on Joachim, for example, does find him a more complex figure than what emerges in NSP. And the danger in using such a term as "gnosticism" is that it becomes a convenient device for dismissing whatever we don't approve of. Also we inevitably face new political and social issues which were not part of Voegelin's direct experience, which does not mean that his analytical tools cease to be relevant.

The panel on whether EV was fair to Hegel was I thought a good response to this problem, to begin with by actually facing the problem. The panelists differed on the question which involves, finally, not only knowing what Voegelin said about Hegel,but also one's own careful reading of Hegel independently. As I see it, one might conclude that what EV criticized in Hegel was well taken but that there may be a good deal more to Hegel that also needs to be brought into the discussion. After all, Voegelin did not launch a systematic and detailed study of Hegel equivalent to what he did with Plato.

The same issues exist in assessing Strauss, Arendt, Oakeshott, Maritain and others. As I see it, political philosophy is a dialogue we carry on with our predecessors. Like Machiavelli (at least in this one respect) we enter respectfully the courts of the ancients to converse with them. EV and the other greats of the 20th century are passing into the courts of the ancients which does not mean they are not with us, but that we have to talk with them in light of our own experience.

Finally, I find that many of my students are responsive to Voegelin. They do find him illuminating. Just this week I had a freshman student write an essay -- she called it "The Joy of Living in the Metaxy" -- finely describing Socrates as living at the intersection of politics and philosophy. A wonderful essay for one so young.

But is it not likely that when students move from being students to pursuing the examined life that they will learn the Socratic lesson that,for all we think we know, we know that we don't know? It is sad for "the old guard" to assume that they are maintaining the Apostolic age over against the newcomers. Of course, they and we will all pass from the scene, but then all the more we must have faith in the things unseen that they cannot, if true, disappear from human experience. We can kill Socrates but we cannot kill philosophy.

TF
Fritz Wagner  - Ellis Sandoz Comments   |10-01-2009 07:30:04
Ellis Sandoz has written in response to Tim Fuller's comment and has agreed to its being posted here:

Tim:

I agree with all that you say.However, my little reply to Fritz was pointedly in response to the rather stupid dismissive gestures we heard (I heard them) in Toronto and the faint tap-tap-tap of dancing on Voegelin's grave to the tune of "that's history."

Philosophy is dead for most folks but always has been. Voegelin is nobly representative of the philosophia
perennis and the fact that he might not have been 100% right on everything he addressed doesn't detract from that nor would it have surprised him since he acknowledged it himself. To expect otherwise would be and is ludicrous and absurd.

As you know he spoke of "revising his position" from time to time, did it,and well understood science as an ongoing enterprise. On the other hand he did not waver easily nor readily give up an analysis because he stayed close to the experiences, as he said, and these authenticate the basic
analysis, whatever the details. We all see the major shifts, and where they occur they were driven by the factual evidence. He was a philosopher not a dogmatist and knew philosophy to be LOVE of wisdom not its possession--explicitly very Socratic, contra Hegel, Husserl, and their progeny. He took seriously Aristotle's notion that what you say is mere words if it conflicts with the facts, i.e. empirical evidence in the widest sense of the term. Only God is wise. We're never finished.
Voegelin's last book plainly carries that message: IN SEARCH OF ORDER. Truth with a small t, or as far as I can see. No matter how correct it seems to be, the conversation still goes on as an open inquiry. We are constantly being ambushed by experience, as it were.

Ellis S.
Robert Cheeks   |10-10-2009 02:16:14
Eric Voegelin showed me how philosophy leads to revelation. He pointed me to God, to the reality of spirit, and explained to me the failures of the modern sophists and philodoxers.
I never met him but it's as if, in reading his work, that we are sitting together and he is telling me of God, man, wisdom, truth, history, the mind, etc. He is my teacher and one does not betray or abandon their teacher.
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